I’m going to use this in the next gay marriage argument I have with anyone who uses their religion to back up a silly point <3 - A x
<3 you all! <3 <3 x
A very interesting conversation about homosexuality and Islam happening on a friend’s FB wall. She posted an article about an imam marrying a gay couple (one of whom has AIDS) and asked for people’s thoughts. I have to say I was surprised how quick people were to say they were against it. For example this dude:
And he got 9 likes! The conversation made me angry, obviously, so I couldn’t stop myself from posting something:
And then this is the response I got, almost immediately I might add.
“Whether we agree or not, God agrees with me, so you are wrong.”
I know you have to pick your battles. And I know this is what is coming for me when I one day perform gay and lesbian marriages for Muslims, but man, it just makes me so angry.Article here, by the way.
I found this on my computer entitled “minraets”
Remember six years ago, when Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriage? Have you noticed how it is now legal to marry children, dogs, and appliances? What about the European Union, which, of course, has now degenderated into a single Socialist nation? One would think that the slippery slope argument wasn’t a logical fallacy or something, given all these successful predictions of the fallacy’s proponents.
One would also not expect civilized and progressive governments to be following such an irrational agrument, either. After all, those who vote against same-sex marriage because they want to keep Fido safe and celibate are individuals; their cognitive skills or lack thereof are their own business. And those Petrovskys who cried wolf on the European Union are also merely individual people. While the riotous masses may be nothing more than riotous, forward-thinking governments surely are above such things.
Such is not the case in the wonderfully liberal Switzerland, however. In the past year or so, posters have appeared denouncing minarets, of all things, as these seemingly guileless architectural embellishments bring great evil with them. This great evil, according to the advertisements, happens to be women wearing abayas and, ironically, censorship. The apparent “logic” behind these promotions happens to be that if “they” are allowed to build minarets, soon the entire Swiss nation will be under extremist Sharia law.
If this doesn’t make any sense to you, don’t worry; it only gets worse. The group behind all this nonsense, the Egerkinger committee, has declared minarets to be a symbol of power, citing a speech by the then-mayor of Instabul from over a decade ago. Using an obscure passage from an obscure speech by an obscure politician as one’s entire platform does not seem suspect, does it?
Barack Obama’s gay marriage stance divides black churches
President Barack Obama’s support for same-sex marriage has divided black churches, with some prominent pastors saying they can no longer support his re-election bid.
People, stop posting this. Racism and homophobia are not the same thing. They are not equivalent, they are not interchangeable.
Religious people are bigots, both from being anti-gay and from being anti-religious-freedom.
That is all. No necessary analogy, please.
By the blogger lesbianapdfighter
I was walking down a bus stop and I happened to stumble upon a man reading the Herald Sun with the front headline “Church Declares War On Gay Marriage”, so as this is a topic that concerns me, I decided to take a trip down to the newsagents and pick up a copy, find a nice cafe and then sit down with my hot chocolate to read it. I was appalled and dumbfounded at the same time;
“Church leaders will urge Victoria’s million-plus Catholics to campaign against gay marriage, saying it would undermine family life and damage society.” Seriously? And what made them think that if homosexuals were allowed the fundamental right to marry just like our heterosexual counter parts already can that it would some how weaken the traditional family? Well, Catholic Church, I’m sure after same sex marriage is legalised that there will still be traditional families living together and with nothing changed. So, if some of my married straight friends attended my wedding with my partner, would they eventually start arguing more and then get a divorce?
“Without this there would be no human beings and no future,” the letter says.” Is this a parody or an sad, isolated person who has no access to any type of media and just doesn’t go out? The bigoted individual who wrote this has obviously has never heard of a sperm bank and/or lives in his little world in a box thinking that there are no gay couples who want to have kids when there are and I am included in that percentage. Even without marriage there are still same sex couples who make families together, so the only thing that is really going to change, is that same sex couples and families will be as legally recognised as straight families and will have the same benefits. Calm down, no one is forcing you to marry a man.
“Bringing new human life into the world is founded on the loving union in difference of male and female. Children are best nurtured by a mother and father.” You really do live in a small box where you preach that it’s best to have a male and female, don’t you Catholic Church? Do you even a have the facts to back up your argument in which doesn’t include the bible?
“… researchers compared adolescents from carefully matched families headed by female couples and those headed by heterosexual couples and found no differences on all measures of adjustment and well-being, including self-esteem, anxiety, grade averages, reported substance abuse, delinquency, and peer victimisation.” Researchers did find a difference in how connected the children felt to people at school, whereby children with same-sex parents showed a greater connection.” – Page 9, paragraph 2 of The Australian Phycological Society: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Parented Families.
There was a study done by the Australian Phycological Society and according to this study, the children in same-sex families were no different (and in some cases better off) than in a opposite-sex family.
“Since the 1970s, it has become increasingly clear that it is family processes (such as the quality of parenting, the psychosocial well-being of parents, the quality of and satisfaction with relationships within the family, and the level of co-operation and harmony between parents) that contribute to determining children’s well-being and ‘outcomes’, rather than family structures…” - Page 8, paragraph 3 of The Australian Phycological Society: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Parented Families.
Regardless of if the parents have the same genitals in under their clothing or not, this will not determine the child’s outcome, what does determine is the levels of care, warmth, love, trust, social connection and support, so if these qualities exist in high levels, the outcome of the children’s mental health will be no be poor.
”Society had not collapsed in countries such as Canada and Spain where marriage equality had been achieved, she said.” What makes these countries any more different than us? Only the fact that they have legalised same sex marriage which grants them the same rights as opposite sex couples. Why would legalising same sex marriage make us collapse when many other countries have not collapsed, what is different?
“Marriage equality supporters have described the church’s campaign as “alarmist” and rejected claims gay marriage would undermine family life or damage society.” Even without the facts, people can still confidently say that the legalisation of same-sex marriages will not weaken any family, because how can myself and my partner’s future marriage possibly weaken a single straight marriage? The legalisation will not affect the current rights of heterosexual marriage occupants in anyway, nor will it prevent them from marrying one another in the future.
“The church’s push was not about a lack of respect for people who identify as gay and lesbian, who should be treated with respect and dignity, he said.” Well of course they’re not trying to disrespect us, but instead they are trying to influence the law to force everyone else live by their morals which means LGBT people are second class citizens and do not deserve to be treated equally just because they are against a two-thousand year or more religious text which also says that they have to allow free will.
To conclude this, if you don’t like same-sex marriage, then don’t marry someone of the same sex, it’s that simple. A group of people should not have to live like second class citizens just because it goes against your belief system, if you feel you need to live by your morals, then do so, don’t make it law for everyone else to follow. You don’t see us composing letters of hate to ban all praying just because it goes against our moral code, live and let live.
Deserves accolades? No, not really for that itself. But considering the sort of power the christians wield in politics right now, I'm surprised that he's admitting to holding contradictory views. The usual policy is to just avoid addressing the subject directly, so his candor is appreciated....if not exactly overwhelming in its actual import.
I don’t really agree.
The Christians are fucking horrible. Yeah, I said it. They’re terrible, horrible, people. They’re working tirelessly with all sorts of hate groups to take away rights for the poor, women, trans folks, gay folks, non-white folks, just everyone.
I don’t think you can compare anyone who is remotely sane to those people. They are subhuman in their efforts to remove the humanity of everyone else.
Barack Obama, if he is a decent human being, needs to be compared to standards of human decency. He does not need excuses for his piss-poor defense of gay rights.
Not hating people for being gay should already be a basic viewpoint. Who the fuck are we comparing him to again? Terrible, violently homophobic people? People who say lesbians should be raped and gay men should be beaten? People who indoctrinate children to terrify and bully queer people? People who psychologically torture gays just because they’re gay?
No. Fuck that.
If Obama is a decent human being, he’s going to be compared to the rest of us.
And if I had any political power of any sort, you’d bet your ass I’d be doing more than he is. Shit, I’m probably already doing more by typing this out on this goddamn website.
No. His position sucks, and his half-assed proclamation of his position sucks even more.
Would you rather he said the opposite or nothing at all? -_-
AnonymousI’d rather he actually fuckin’ do something. Or yeah, even say something.
I mean, this shit sucks. “Well, personally, I think that you don’t deserve treatment as a lesser human with lesser rights just because you’re gay.”
Oh. Well fucking THANK YOU. I didn’t REALIZE that was such an incredibly brave and forward-thinking attitude to hold.
“Personally. Not politically. So like, in my mind but not my actions you don’t deserve being treated like you have lesser rights.”
THANK FUCKING GOD
Well ultimately unless some actual policy changes take place, not much is going to change in the real world. However, the fact that Obama actually came out and said this, with it being so close to an election, does mean something. It's not so much that he's standing with the gay community as he is making it clear he is standing outside the homophobic asshole camp.
Meh I don’t know. He’s the fucking president, he could have done much more. He could have said that he actually has a political stance on this, for all the backlash he’s already getting from the Christian right.
Really, I don’t think saying “Yeah I don’t hate gay people as a personal position” deserves all the accolades he’s getting. I mean, it’s like he moved a fucking mountain or something.
This shit is fucking basic. Only “personally” being on the side of equal human rights is kind of shitty, anyways.
Why in the fuck can’t I bring up the actual facts without someone waving the bible around like a trump card?
You can study it all you want, but in terms of actual facts, it’ll be as good as being well versed in all of the Harry Potter books.
I fucking hate it when Christians do this…
Accepting that people can function in a manner that disallows random and endless reproduction is moving forward as a society, not backwards.
Put that in your strap on and suck on it.
Previously Confidential Documents Shed Light on NOM Strategy
Today HRC got a hold of internal NOM documents that shed light on the anti-LGBT movement’s overall strategy. These documents were just unsealed in Maine mid-afternoon. The docs are part of the ongoing investigation by the State of Maine into the campaign finance activities of NOM in that state.
On PDF page 12, it talks about “sideswiping Obama,” painting him as a “social radical” and talking about “side issues” like pornography.
You can read the docs at the Human Rights Campaign site.
Holy shit you guys. Look at what they’re doing.
This shit is intense
gay marriage
i saw something in a newsarticle and it said all roman catholics job i to make sure gay marriage doesnt happen. that just botherd me like why do they pick on us gays we just want be treated like everyone else and be accepted in soocety.
is that so hard to ask?
Apparently…
TODAY’S BULLSHITTING BISHOP: THOMAS TOBIN
“God created two different genders for a reason – so that males and females could come together, complement one another, procreate, and continue the species. And be very clear about this – same-sex marriage isn’t about procuring civil rights for beleaguered homosexual persons. The recently adopted civil-unions legislation, as ill-advised as it was, it provided the legal protections activists have been lobbying for, but the opportunity has been widely ignored.
“Same-sex marriage legislation is about distorting a venerable institution – not about civil rights. Please be assured, dear readers, that if the debate over same-sex marriage finds its way to the State House once again, the Diocese of Providence, joined by its allies in our community, will be fully engaged in the battle. We will work hard and pray hard for the defeat of this immoral, misguided proposal that erodes the foundation of our society and offends the moral values we cherish.”- Bishop Thomas Tobin, writing forRhode Island Catholic.
Gay marriage is bad because it isn’t making women be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
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